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>> good evening and welcome to election nightcoverage, i'm charles bierbauer. the polls are closing now across the nation. donald trump has been declared the winnerhere in south carolina and in the hour ahead, we will be looking at these results and thosewe come across. joining me first this evening is scott huffmon,that is not a particular surprise, south carolina is where it is but in some of the things youare seeing, how does this stand out? >> well, no one expected so i can to go forhillary clinton but as the polls close, we will have to watch what happens in it thekey states and if they lean the way the last polls have been indicating, then it will bea tough night for donald trump.

but if he can show the outliar polls are trulyrepresentative, hillary clinton could be in for a tough ride but we will know a lot moreas each hour progresses. [indiscernible]>> in fact, if she nails down 192 electoral college votes by 10:30, you can pretty muchgo to bed because she's got 78 that will come in by 11:00. >> so two and a half hours and we have someother things to talk about. over the past two days, what are you seeingthat gives you any indication of how tonight's results are going to come out? >> the polls ended up stabilizing a littlebit.

you know, comey came out -->> second -- >> that came out and said there were e-mailson hillary clinton's assistant's soon to be ex-husband's laptop but as soon as they cameout and said there is nothing new here, the polls stabilized and as we expected, thishe closed within the last few days but they did stabilize and the other thing so lookat is the impact not just of the last few days of polls but how the stock market reacted-- >> reacting and -->> yeah, it did and not surprisingly, reacted positively, too. >> they did.

>> okay, let me bring in our other guestshere, amanda loveday, np strategy, executive director of the south carolina democraticparty and joel sawyer who is from the campaign grid, where do we expect to see on the grid? >> well, it will be interesting to see wherewe are nationally but here in south carolina, a handful of things will help determine ourlegislature and there are some other important pieces for south carolina to pay attentionto. i know everyone is really paying attentionto the national race and we should know something a little later on in the evening. >> what impact does the national rate haveto do on south carolina?

>> well, it depends on the hillary clintonmargin. if she keeps the obama mark begin, you willsee a similar turnout across the state. but if she can narrow that margin, we willsee some numbers we didn't expect and could go big in south carolina. >> i am wondering about the states or countiesalong the border with states that are in play. you expect there to be kind of a differentialturnout in the state legislative seats in the counties that are closer to north carolinaand georgia? >> well, south carolina is interesting becauseit has a lot of split television markets. you look at the charlotte market, ashevillein there, off lot of over -- you have a lot

of bleedover from north carolina advertisinginto south carolina and georgia on those other counties. i expect because of what was going on in northcarolina politically, that could determine what will happen in the county. >> and north carolina? >> north carolina is the wild card in thisrace. i think mccrory could certainly be in trouble,the sitting republican governor, could be in trouble there. the republican incumbent is probably goingto be okay.

you know, clinton and trump will be an absolutenail-biter in north carolina. >> and in terms of the clinton-trump racewhich is everybody's primary focus tonight, what would you say is its major impact inthe south carolina campaign? >> south carolina has -- because of the wayour local districts are drawn, we have very few competitive races in november. we have -- let's just say we have a very jerimanderedlegislature where the races are decided in the primary and not the general election. i will say if you are looking at one localrace to be competitive, the state senate race locally, a lot of the advertising in thatrace went to the democrat and republican respectively

to clinton and trump. regardless of how this shakes out, these arethe two most unpopular major party candidates in the history of ever and probably forevermore, deeply unpopular. so you know it is not really groundbreakingstrategy to try to link a local republican to a national republican or a local democratto a national democrat. >> and that was where we first saw that, tryingto link the local republican to trump and democrat to clinton to garner support forone side or the other and we will continue to do that. in two years, we are continuing to see ourconstitutional officers in north carolina

and they will speak depending on who winsthe election tonight. >> the substantial amount of it, what impactwill that have on turnout here? >> well, it depends. with the overlying media markets in southcarolina, the counties that watch north carolina and georgia news will have a different turnoutthan the folks kind of in the middle but i think we have seen absentee voters, the turnoutin south carolina is tremendous and i honestly specially believed we would see low turnoutin the election but it looks like we will see the absolute opposite and people are votingagainst the one that is less worse than the other.

>> the only person parts sans seem to likeless than their own candidate is the candidate they loathe and so it has an increasing turnoutbecause even if they hate their guy or gal, they hate the other one even more leadingto an unexpected turnout. [overlapping speakers]>> i think that scott is on point and what you have to look for is where those peopleare turning out. in terms of turnout being high or low, i don'tknow if it inherently helps one or the other but if people are turning out in record numbersfrom republican or democratic strongholds, that will be the tale tonight. >> and that is the kind of thing we will betearing apart over the days and weeks ahead.

i want to turn now to our other colleagueswho are with us here. university professor dr. nelsen has a couple of guests on the otherside of his table. >> i am pleased to introduce two studentsfrom north carolina, sabrina shutters, a student in augusta and broadcast journalism majorat south carolina. and to my left is sulaiman ahmad from greenville,a political science major from furman university. welcome to both of you. >> thanks for having us. >> thank you.

>> we are here to talk about the youth vote,college campuses and let me just start by saying or asking, was there a lot of enthusiasmamong students on college campuses, sabrina? >> i think there are a lot of students whoare more excited about this election because there are a lot of policy and social issueson the line and a big change in washington and they can be a part of that change so thatmight spark some interest among millennials. >> sulaiman, did you see that on our campus,that got a lot of people excited? >> i think after bernie sanders' loss, therewere, i guess for lack of better words, a force to favor hillary clinton. and based on what has happened at furman university,we started the silicon challenge with other

silicon schools and trying to see who canhave the higher voter legislation turnout. and in the past, furman has not done thatwell, i think the record was 24% in terms of voter turnout and in 2013, that was 8%. now those numbers are doubled. so with this project at furman, i think wesparked some good interest this year, especially with the two candidates and how stressfulthis campaign has been on everybody. it has definitely inspired a lot more peopleto get involved and the youth to get involved but don't believe that it would be as largeas the impact that bernie sanders had. >> and there is an effort in the county tochange the rules so students can vote easier

in their college districts. did that affect furman at all? >> well, so they had a questionnaire of sortsthat was kind of reminiscent of the 1960s, asking you what church you go to, your address,on your fishing license. it would allow students to use college dormitoryaddresses but that was not possible under the current laws. there was an injunction that happened butwith the two-day window we had, we couldn't really register as many students as we wouldhave liked. >> so i suppose you think furman studentsare illiterate any way, sabrina a --

[laughter]>> so did you see a lot of students go to the polls or did they stay home? >> i did see a lot of students go to the pollsand i saw some students with their ballots at home and i think there was a tremendousturnout overall. >> well, good, we will find that out whenwe see the turnout numbers. charles, back to you. >> let's not set north carolina over furman. let's be nonpartisan at least in this cityhere tonight. [laughter]>> scott, you are the guy who is peering most

closely at the map in the six minutes we havebeen chatting here, what is up? >> fox has called a few more states than thenew york times but fox has it with hillary at 68, trump at 67. the difference is fox would called in leemoyfor clinton, whereas she also got new jersey, massachusetts, of course vermont early onand maryland, whereas trump has taken oklahoma, indiana, kentucky which we he knew, west virginiaand south carolina. so they are coming in and we're really waitingto see now how those key states of pennsylvania and florida are doing and that will reallylet us know how the rest of the evening may be going.

>> and less worried about the predictablesthan the predictables. >> absolutely. >> with respect to the parties, democrat andrepublican, what is the sense of the party? is it verbal? does it have a defined gap between its twocomponent parts? >> absolutely, it does. i mean, i think there are a couple of thingsgoing on. there are republicans who are -- dislike hillaryclinton so much that they are willing to accept someone so unacceptable as trump and be behindhim because their dislike for hillary clinton

drives them to do so. i think that our party, for the past eightyears under president obama, has been a party that is defined as being against things ratherthan, you know, what you saw in the good 'ol days in the '80s and early '90s where republicans,they had ideas, right, there was a movement on the conservative wing that was puttingforth policy and food for thought versus just being against barack obama. now, being against barack obama and hillaryclinton, that is going to be enough for some people but i think there are republicans likemyself who want a little bit more, a little more intellectual interest and policies.

>> so say trump wins and the republican party,they can say we won. but on the other hand, if he loses, then theyhave the reconciliation job. >> yes, i am curious to see if they will. in 2012, there was this business post mortgagetestimony on barack obama and all the things we need to do to win four years from now. they didn't do any of those things. there was no real substantive african-americanoutreach, showing up at a black church two weeks before the election is not reachingout to the african-american community. the rhetoric on immigration, if anything,got worse rather than better.

you know, white men are a shrinking demographicin this country and we have to appeal to women, hispanics, african-americans and even if thosegains take a really long time, we have to make some serious progress on that. >> well thanks for that dose of reality. [laughter]>> and with you, let's do the same thing. if hillary clinton wins and the democraticparty says whew, we pulled that out, but if they don't win and trump is in, what kindof impact on the democratic party at that point? >> if we don't win?

>> yes. >> i think it will be to see how they canmove forward. i think trump has done a lot to help themdo that -- [indiscernible]-- you had a whole lot less people holding their nose per say today than the republicanparty has had but no matter who wins or loses, the republican party has to be very open towhat happens forward. there are lack candidates last time around,white candidates this time and they will have to see what they can bring forward after thatbut i am proud to say we could have the first woman president after having the first african-americanpresident.

>> keep this here and i will still try toget to. there were many democrats who went to thepolls who said i would rather it was bernie. >> and republicans said i would rather itbe marco rubio and i think that happens no matter what. those who voted for barack obama wanted itto be hillary clinton in 2008 so i think that happens every year we have a presidentialelection. but because of the negative numbers you haveseen in both candidates, both parties, they have to come around to whoever the head oftheir party is going to be and then the opposite party has to figure out who that head is becausei don't think it will be donald trump or hillary

clinton if they are not the winner tonight. >> i had a question about your parties inthe state because you seem to have very divergent paths. the parties for the democrats have becomevery important, the presidential race in south carolina is the state that put barack obamaon the path to win, the state that decisively said hillary clinton is going to be the nextnominee he but at the state level, it is still have straddling with a classic 10-point gap. on the republican side, you have everythinggoing one way but it has been chaos creator, essentially the way he came down and was organizing.

newt gingrich was a surprise to everybodyand then the decisive mood behind trump. so the parties looking at changing anythingabout the structure of the south carolina primaries given our importance in the presidentialcycles? >> i don't know that there will be a realmove to do that on the republican side. i mean, there could be this year, trump wonhere but he won a lot of other places, too. newt gingrich was a little bit of anomalyjust because there was a lot of distaste, trepidation for romney and when they put twovery strong debate performances back-to-back, i think in that moment in time, he was theman of the hour. i think south carolina will continue to playa prominent role in the process and south

carolina does have a lot of republicans herewho are diverse in priorities, whether it be, you know, fiscal conservatives or evangelicalfocus, strong military. i think if you go down the list of those differenttypes of republican constituencies, they are all represented here and it is a relativelyinexpensive state to campaign in so there is a big interest on the candidates earlyin the process. >> i agree with him on the primary processbut i think democrats as a whole focus on two things, having issues and ideas aboutour kitchen table issues and ideas, how to get through them, how to pay our taxes, makesure that children are getting to school on time and going to the best school possibleand then i think the second is the equipment.

in 2010, we had one of the best up to downballots that democrats had seen in a very long time and one of the closest races inthe country so if we focus on recruitment and really see what kind of democrat can winin south carolina and what kind of democrat the democrats in south carolina are wantingto vote for, i think we can see progression on electing democrats. but we are not going to win every race -->> you have to have candidates to win. everything below the congressional level thati voted on today, state senate, state legislature, county commission, everything was no opposition-- >> but a lot of that had to do with redistrictingand where --

>> we didn't even get to that. i assure you just to kind of button up thissegment, don't the parties have to look to the next generation? they have a generational shift -->> yes -- >> okay, that settles that. [laughter]>> so let's talk about these candidates. how effective were they in reaching millennials,first-time voters like yourself and sulaiman, i will start with you. >> well, i feel those campaigns failed toreach millennials.

i guess i will find out tonight if that cameto fruition or not but i fear donald trump is more effective than hillary clinton wasand that what we saw in the primary, 84% of millennials showed up to vote for bernie sandersand that was not the same for trump. >> let me stop you there. why does a 72-year-old man with wire grayhair appeal to people who are 18, 19 years old? >> well, it is the premise that he put outthere, going back to his slogan. that is reminiscent of barack obama's hopecampaign. that whole amount of drive is what broughtout millennials.

you don't have that with hillary clinton. she has a great resume but now that she hasbeen in public service for 20 years, it is like she has become a robot. >> i feel trump is something new for millennialsand that is what incites the passion for trump's campaign and making america great again becausethese two candidates are unorthodox and unlike anything we have ever seen. and along that fault, on social media, everyday, his twitter, he was always passionate with that and that is everything that millennialsknow about these days, social media and seeing him do that was attractive to his campaign.

>> did both of you follow trump and hillaryon twitter? >> well, i did. i think one of the funniest things i cameacross is hillary was trying to make herself seem cool. what she came out was chilling. millennials came out for the democratic candidateand she tried to reach out to them but i don't feel she did it effectively. [indiscernible]-- more white males who were inclined to vote for donald trump.

it seems that his aggressive tweets, i wouldplace them as aggressive but i don't have a way to compare them to anything, reallyappealed to those individuals. >> sabrina it, you followed donald trump? >> i did and i think that is just becausehis -- he used his twitter much more than clinton did. i think that with that aggression, he wasable to get his issues out there much more aggressively than clinton did. >> but he also talked in terms that weren'talways -- >> with women and so how did you -- especiallywith women --

>> i believe that had a huge effect on thewomen vote for trump but at the end of the day, i think it is about those issues in washingtonand on policy and the nitty-gritty and a look at those issues instead of talking about thatand i think we have a campaign so just feel like that is what i am trying to get past. >> so if i am hearing you correctly, 91 --[overlapping speakers] >> right, i think there was negativity onboth sides with not being able to reach out to millennials. >> sulaiman? >> >>: i completely agree with that statement.

hillary clinton is not barack obama. donald trump is also effective when it comesto reaching out to millennials but the demographics just don't -- if anything, their hand is forcednow so they have to pick a side. >> don't try to be cool, is that a rule? to vote for one even if you are not --[indiscernible] [overlapping speakers]>> i know a lot of college students were really interested in free college and those kindsof things. hillary picked up some on that a little bitbut not a lot. did that weaken her enthusiasm amongst collegestudents and especially amongst democrats?

>> no, i felt hillary clinton's approach tofree college, simply put, unrealistic for a term. [indiscernible]>> still think that pre-college is possible if we can work towards it and he kind of distancedhimself. we win by being realistic, by pushing thisidea that it is possible so ultimately, i am saying for hillary clinton, she didn'thave the same approach as bernie sanders did but it is towards a future of america thati hope to see. >> and donald trump didn't promise free collegebut he will provide patriotism and -- >> i think that i have a great sense of patriotismbecause we had lost that in the past and i

do think that -- i do agree he with clintonthat it her whole approach was unrealistic where bernie sanders, he came to south carolinaand that was a big part of his campaign. so that realisticness was an important part,i think. >> so beating the wall, is that -->> no, not exactly. [laughter]>> but students were still enthusiastic about the policy -->> i think that is just -- it became something greater for his campaign and i just felt thatwas just original proverbial item. >> thank you and on that note, i will turnit back to charles. one of the last terms we used was jerimanderingwith regard to the election and i went to

my precinct today and apart from the presidentialrace and a few others that were unopposed candidates running. i thought about some reason conversationswith matt more, the south carolina democratic chairman and jaime harrison, the south carolinademocrat chairman, it makes it difficult to recruit good candidates because nobodywants to be the sack official lamb. what can parties do, what influence do theyhave to get rid of this, if you agree with it, that is a problem? >> i think jerimandering is a dysfunctionfor democracy and it has happened every time. when you have a situation where it is functionallyimpossible for a democrat or republican to

win, those races are decided in primariesand primaries reward extreme candidates on both ends so when they get elected, to gocolumbia, to go washington d.c., there is no compromise with anyone and in fact compromisebecomes an electoral line liability. if a republican in south carolina said i amgoing to try to meet barack obama in the middle, he would get destroyed in his next republicanprimary so we have to draw a race that is more competitive. in terms of how we do that, we have to takeit out of those habits, put it in nonpartisan hands and let the voters vote on it in termsof an amendment. [indiscernible]>> but to say i don't want this person in

my district, run against person x or persony and then to say i only want a specific percentage of african-american voters in my districtor white voters in my district which is making it lean one way or the other and it is anincredible, incredible issue we have not only in south carolina but across the country. anyone who draws their own district, it islike naming your own salary or your own job description, you are going to do it to benefityou and i think that is the thought of all the voters out there. >> so the two of you agree on that and thetwo states agree on that it. is there any way to deliver momentum thatdelivers that message to the legislature which

would, i think, basically have to say we'restepping on this? >> it has to be a law that is passed in thehouse, passed in the senate and signed by the governor and i think that is the hardpart. now, if you are able to find enough momentumto get a bid drawn and then somehow get the republicans leadership to bring that to thefloor and vote on it, then i think we kind of have a little momentum because i thinkit would be extremely detrimental to any republican or democrat, instead of doing this initially. >> it would have been so easy to do. >> the magic phrase you said was get it tothe floor and that is the kind of thing that

dies a painful death in south carolina. >> well, we see it and talk about it a lotwhen i go out to talk to a lot of different groups and what has to happen is a grassrootsdevelopment. the things we have seen in this state thathappened quickly was the con fed flag and the gun bill and those two things happen inexpedient process in south carolina compared to everything else because there was a grassrootsmovement and no one could disturb that until those two things happen and i don't thinkwe will see that till south carolina voters go to the legislature and say this needs tobe done. >> and it will be tricky, too, because whatwe have seen with governor haylie and governor

stanford, near and dear to my heart but youare asking the legislature to voluntarily see power f someone other than themselves. there have been a lot of democrats and republicanswho stood in the way. a political party does not like to evolvepower either to a reconstricting district, the state or the other. these races are being decided in the primaryright now. if they were to be decided in the gem, itwould be a lot easier for south carolina to have a voice but right now those that appearin this very small percent of the primary, most liberal, most conservative --[overlapping speakers]

>> and of course anything to be done wouldhave to be between now and the 2020 census which is the next opportunity. you can be in it any time but the 20/20 wouldbe to say hey we're districting and -- >> so for the legislature session, anyonewho follows bills in south carolina, that is very minor. >> what do you expect the legislation to befocused on this summer? >> i think that it will come up again. i think what passed this summer was a bandaidand you will see that brought up legislatively through the next session.

>> i do think there could continue to be discussionsabout education and college funding as well. >> any thought that could be revisited atall? >> no. [laughter]>> the thing that we used to fund our schools via property taxes and then we took that awayand funded it via a type of sales tax and a lot of instigators have been very forwardand everybody who saw their property taxes go down who tend to be the most hated werevery happy with it. but as the lawsuits with equity funding goforward and trying to achieve a minimally adequate conversation, do you think that wasdone?

>> i didn't think it would be revisited ina substantive way. i think that you know our tax code in southcarolina is a complete adomination. we exempt more sales tax than we collect insouth carolina. it is ridiculous. there are so many exemptions and special interestloopholes and it needs to be revisited and not just given a bandaid or a fresh coat ofpaint. if they were to get into it, they could addresslarger portions of that in a larger way but we can only help. >> anything pop up on your screen here scott?

what we haven't watching that has been ofmost interest are races too close to call. >> yeah, and they are going back and forth. if you look for example at virginia, it isvery overwhelmingly red but that is mostly less populated areas and the areas that hillaryclinton is getting are the same as barack obama minus one or two so that could be asign that the polling was a lot tighter than people thought, which was something that theoutliars said hillary clinton is up by 12 and it absolutely was no way that it was true. the issue with the f.b.i. that popped back up, we saw that shrink againso we are seeing virginia closer than folks

thought but north carolina, there is stilla lot of counties out, you know, the traditional counties that you expect to be blue and redhave come in. as donald rum if he would would say, it isthe unknown unknowns that has us still guessing. in florida, we know marco rubio has been declaredthe senate winner in florida but if you look at the counties in florida that went for hillaryand compare that to those who went for barack obama in 2012, there were a few he got thathillary did not and it looks like trump may just eek out the tiniest of victories in florida. and if he does, north carolina leaning everso slightly towards hillary, pennsylvania which right now we have hardly anything reportingbut what is reporting is philadelphia, more

rural counties, that is completely unknownand then of course ohio where you have most of the unknowns for hillary there. so if trump gets florida and virginia, itwill be a lot longer of a night than i think the hillary camp was hoping. >> the closest thing i could think of is thegubernatorial race in 2013. very similar dynamic where you had historicallyunpopular gubernatorial candidates on both sides that were either -- one was dislikedamong democrats, republicans couldn't stand the other, the poll has mcauliffe really farahead and then he just barely eeked one out so it would not surprise me with north virginiadespite what the polls are showing as a comfortable

margin that it ends up a closer --[overlapping speakers] >> two years ago, he was far and away thewinner in polling and then -- [overlapping speakers]>> no, but we have seen it in virginia much more recently and with the polling, we had-- in this case, it has just been a few outliars that had hillary clinton up by double digitsand in those cases, there were more balls with stronger leads. north virginia essentially its own state,south side, tidewater and richmond which can all go blue and then the mountain areas thatcould be deep red and i think it has been very hard to poll with the cycle.

>> and i think florida is somewhat the sameway and it lends to incomplete polling. [indiscernible]>> i think that should be coming in fairly swiftly. brent, let's come back to you for a few minutesand look at the screens over here that everybody seems to be flabberghasted. we'll talk about where students get theirpolitical information. sabrina, how do you find out about politics? >> well, this is the digital age and i thinkwe took the variety of outlets we have now and use that for the advantage and to getinvolved with politics nowadays.

and you have unbiased information coming toyou from all sources and all sides so you can get involved with that and one age groupto be involved with the political scene and -->> so what are some of those sources that you are talking about exactly? give some examples? >> cnn and fox news and msnbc and, you know,just choose to follow, you know, the more concerned issues, better to follow both sidesso you have other avenues coming towards you. >> so you will sit and watch both fox andmsnbc for those sites? >> well, that is the ideal political bunchbut at the end of the day, my professor had

us watch cnn on a regular basis and on hillaryclinton, does give a more -- >> balanced? >> balanced view of things. >> yes, thank you. so where do you get your information? >> not to fuel the rivalry between usc andfurman or anything, but with dr. daniel vincent, she kind of pointed out howthe new york times and washington post rather have been very effective at being nonpartisanand it is really concerning in this climate, ziegler pointed out in a survey that it involved10,000 adults in the united states, some had

become more ideological and others had becomeconservatives so we are at the pinnacle of partisanship in this country and it is beingreflected in the sources we go to for media. for example, any sort of engagement in syria,the washington times will claim that the executive is not being affected. the washington post will cover that and sayit is the russian government not being effective with its air strikes and it is obama's fault. so it is really the information age whereyou have facebook and twitter blasting you with the headlines and -- what is the word,kind of bait -- [indiscernible]and that is suggestive to what you see on

the media platforms. >> you go to your phone more or the cablenetworks on television? >> well, i do tend to watch the cable networkson television and maybe that is due to my journalism focus but it is so 24/7 with everythingwe have these days whether it is your tablet, phone or television. >> you get clips from msnbc or fox news, itis like little snippets so i definitely agree with that. >> do you get political e-mails from yourfriends and how about facebook? you hardly mentioned that.

>> political e-mails from friends? >> yeah. >> well, facebook page, i like venting onfacebook or something, get into a political conversation with friends of mine from theright side of the aisle. >> i think my friends tend to put their opinionson facebook in their posts rather than staying neutral on the subject of politics. >> good, so that is the news from lookingat the newspapers and tv, charles. >> i am gladly encouraged that we are lookingat newspapers and tv and every other device in front of us including the one in frontof scott here.

i know you have been looking at the southcarolina congressional races most of which were utterly predictable. anything there? >> this really was nothing unexpected. jim clyborn is taking his district handily,over 60% of the vote right now. tom weiss whose district was created in 2012and that was his first time running, he won that by 1 points and is ahead now you know,60 to 40 -- >> and that is among those that are counted-- >> yes, and the fifth congressional district,nick mulvaney, that is something that the

democrats were hoping for, the campaign committeefrom the house of representatives that had put a good deal of money in and given thatmoney, it is a zero-sum game. money going into one district and not theother district, they thought they had a chance but right now mulvaney is doing extremelywell there -- >> and that was once a democratic -->> yes, that's right. with the tea party surge, he was able to knockoff long-time incumbent john spratt and after the 2007 census when the 7th district wascreated, he deferred to the pd and the black voting district shrunk so that got safer forthe republicans and for the democrats, it shrunk --[overlapping speakers]

>> joe biden made multiple visits to the entiredistrict to help him but it doesn't seem to be doing the math. jeff duncan and joe wilson seem to be pacing. don't know about the others yet. >> let's talk about congressional races versusothers and you and i before the show were talking where there could be significant shiftswith the legislature, not so much the republican versus the democratic one but what strikesyou at this point? >> the republicans are not going to be themajority in the house or senate in south carolina. there are two seats that have been historicallydemocrat but the one seat, coleman losing

the primary and then lewis, the general electioncurrently a statehouse member and both of those seats again historically democrat butit is the republican party across the state that has been fighting hard for those twoseats. if they happen to pick those up, you willsee a significant shift in the power of democrats in the south carolina senate. there is a joke amongst the politicos thatthe south carolina senate will control the senate because of the factions in the republicanparty but if we lose those two seats, it could potentially change the president pro tem inthe state senate. >> explain that a little more deeply in termsof why losing two democratic seats would -- you

are talking about senator -->> correct, he is president of the south carolina senate, a republican, and most of the democratsvote for him every year so if you lose two of those votes, you will see a fraction ofthe republican party electing someone different. >> many people would argue that he is anomalya republican. he typically has the entire democratic caucuson lockdown and at that point, he just has to pick up a few republicans forward to retain-- power. if there are a couple more republicans, itcould be a mad dash to see who will get in there first, whether the more conservativedemocrats in the senate or more moderate republicans in the senate and how that shakes out willbe very interesting.

>> talking about trying to flip those seats,governor hayley campaigned against mike and republicans felt that was something they couldpick up with a little bit of effort so we may be in line to see some of those kickingin. >> as scott mentioned, both of those seats,the b-bap is high which historically means it will go democratically so i think theywill have had to fight very, very hard for a republican to win both of those seats butthat the party saw both of them as targets this year. >> and her venture was late in the cycle somaybe been a little too little, too late. >> it is interesting that the 36 seats inthe senate and but two of them are competitive

right now. that speaks to what a problem jerimanderingis. >> we have about five minutes left in thisshow and brent, i want to give you two of those. >> i want to ask sabrina and sulaiman, whatare you looking for in the next administration, how can they meet your needs as a millennial? >> that is a good question. i think it will be focused a lot on educationand whether or not we see that education come in to play because we are going to be movinginto the workforce soon and that is going

to be affecting us. and on the, you know, coming in after collegeand i believe there will be a shift about having a strong enthusiasm about which politicalparty they will be about and you will see a change to them being passionate about theindividuals affecting us and as i said, would be affecting us going into the workforce. >> so not so much parties but issues? you agree with that. >> i feel like that would be a silver bulletto a lot of racial tensions we see in this country.

i, for one, would like to see the united stateswho didn't perpetuate a candidate who didn't say they were going to ban all muslims. we're seeing that now in 2016, incars ratea lot of african-americans in this country, the most in the world, right next to chinaand also foreign policy as far as the middle east is concerned, i don't want have to seeanother american soldier on the ground in general because we're hardly taking care ofour veterans as it stands. >> well, thank you very much. the millennial generation is now larger thanthe baby boomer generation so you all are the future.

thank you for your comments tonight. >> and we have given you all these wonderfulthings to worry about unfortunately. we have about three minutes here so let mestart on your end joel and try to wrap things up. i was attempted to say shall we start lookingat the 2018 governor's race or leap ahead to 2020? [laughter]>> because obviously these will be different races because of the impact on 2016. so what do we learn through the process of2016 in a-10-second nutshell?

>> i don't think that we learn anything. you know, america is deeply, deeply dividedand there is all the incentive in the world for both parties to be as extreme as possibleright now. you know, hopefully there would be more changesleading to more people not just parting now but participating in the primary process becauseif you hate your chinese now -- choices now, you will hate them ten months from now. >> i think we just need to focus on findingthings we can agree on. >> you want to expound on that? [laughter]>> well, coming up in 2020, we have a governor's

seat -->> scott? >> excuse me. >> i think if hillary clinton wins then allthe talk about how this was such an upending election, you know, in 50 years when we analyzethis, it will just have been a standard election. because the key to any standard campaign witha standard structure won. but if donald trump wins, everything getsup into how to win a campaign and for the next two cycles, we will wonder do we needto run campaigns different or could donald trump have been the only one to do it thisway so my thought regarding elections is continuity or uncertainy.

>> and the uncertainy for how the eveningwill turn out. we're approaching the 9:00 hour and we don'tyet know what has happened in florida, pennsylvania, ohio, so many of those and i believe the 16states that are about to lock up their polls at 9:00 and start counting votes so sweatit out with the rest of us this evening. 201 has been quite an election year. i want to thank all of our guests for beingwith us this evening and as always, i thank you for joining us. for everyone at etv, i'm charles bierbauer. good night.

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